Councillors reluctantly back house behind White Swan as owners concede pub rent may be too high

White Swan beer garden
The proposed house would sit behind the pub’s beer garden

Property developer Mendoza has won its battle to build a house at the back of the White Swan pub after Greenwich councillors approved its plans “with a heavy heart” last night.

Councillors on the Woolwich and Thamesmead planning committee tied by two votes to two on the plans, with one councillor abstaining, with chair and Peninsula ward councillor Stephen Brain giving the casting vote.

It is Mendoza’s fourth attempt to build property here. The house will face Torrance Close, the service road at the rear of The Village. The pub will lose 30 per cent of its beer garden, together with trees, with an access road being driven through from The Village so council lorries can collect bins.

The pub closed in March, just before the spring coronavirus lockdown, after years of high rents being charged by Mendoza, which bought he pub in 2015. Mendoza’s representatives admitted they may need to reduce the rent on the pub to make it viable – a strategy criticised by one councillor who questioned why the rent was not cheaper in the first place.

A decision had been due in September, but the discussion was deferred so councillors could visit the site.

Planning officers had recommended they back the scheme. Their report to councillors said that “the area of pub garden retained would continue to provide usable outdoor space for patrons and would be proportional in size to the pub gardens of surrounding pubs”. They added: “The existing area of pub garden space is not integral to the overall viability of the White Swan because the significant and high quality internal facilities and the nature of the food and drink offering are also key selling points of the pub.”

“The development of part of the pub garden of The White Swan would maintain the viability of the pub and would provide a high quality residential development which would preserve the amenity of neighbour properties as well as the character and appearance of the Charlton Village Conservation Area,” the officers concluded. They recommended an acoustic wall be built to protect the new home from noise and a replacement tree be put in place in the garden.

Mendoza render of new White Swan home
How Mendoza says the new home would look from Torrance Close, behind the pub: it would largely be hidden from view by a wall

Despite the furore over the loss of part of the beer garden, only nine objections were received from members of the public and the Charlton Society. Fears for the future of the pub were expressed by speakers. Local resident Ruth Dodson called it “an incredibly family-friendly pub”, adding that the garden meant it was “a really safe place for children to play outside”. Another resident, Charlie Rome, spoke about the Charlton & Woolwich Free Film Festival’s screenings in the garden: “This is the kind of amenity the committee should be protecting.”

There was also unhappiness about the loss of the willow tree in the garden, but council tree officer Debi Rogers said that an inspection nine years ago had found it was decaying.

Addressing the committee, Charlton ward councillor Gary Parker said “anything that impinges on the beer garden” would jeopardise the pub’s future. “We’re in the era of social distancing now and anything that reduces the capacity for that will have an impact on the viability of a venue which is a music pub,” he said. Parker also said that the new London Plan – City Hall’s planning rules – cautioned against developments that took space from pubs.

Last orders: The White Swan has been closed since March

Fellow Charlton councillor Linda Perks, who stepped aside from the committee to speak against the application, said: “The White Swan is a very important local amenity – Charlton Village has two pubs, each with very different clientele. The White Swan is very much a family pub, with people interested in discussion, quizzes, people taking children are more likely to go to the Swan and the garden is a very important attraction.

“The pub will lose a third of its garden, this will impact very seriously on future operation of the pub. I did raise the question of future viability – the response given was that the upstairs rooms were available for the public house.” Perks also said there had been rumours that the pub’s upstairs rooms – which had been used for functions – were being converted for residential use.

“The previous pub landlord left because [Mendoza] raised the rent. The rent was quite high and it was hard for the pub to make a profit – it’s important that we seek assurances that it is their intention to retain the pub. The boundary of the property is right up against the pub garden and I can’t see that noise will be absorbed sufficiently and there’s a significant risk that the occupants will be complaining about noise.”

Milan Babic, the architect who designed the new house, said the new house would have no open windows at the rear. “Any noise has to go over the window and come down,” he said, adding that the gain of a new house and the loss of an “eyesore piece of land” would outweigh the loss of part of the beer garden.

Babic added: ”The pub will remain a pub. Unfortunately, it’s not viable – I’ve not heard any issue relating to rent; not enough people were using the property.”

While Babic told the committee that “hasn’t been viable to use the upper floors” of the pub, they had been in regular before the pub’s closure. Indeed, The Charlton Champion’s owner Flyover Media held its launch event there last June.

White Swan
Mendoza claimed these upstairs rooms were not viable

Peter Munnelly, a planning consultant for Isle of Man-based Mendoza, said: “No-one needs another period of uncertainty for the pub. If members chose not to go through with the officers’ recommendation, there will undoubtedly be another year, two years, where the pub will remain vacant. No tenant will want to take on a pub where they didn’t know what was going to be happening.

“The pub would still be used by families, would still attract a wide cross-section of society, it would still be a relatively large space. Yes, approximately 30 per cent would be lost, but all things being equal but that would not represent any kind of body blow to the appeal of the pub.”

Quizzed by the Conservative councillor for Eltham South, Nigel Fletcher, on whether Mendoza really wanted to keep the White Swan as a pub, Babic said: “My client is actively trying to find a tenant, it is a struggle but as far as we are aware they want to retain it as a pub. The previous tenant couldn’t make it work.

“It is highly likely now that the owner will have to review his rent strategy and reduce it, it could well be that it becomes viable. The freeholder has a pub, he knows it can only remain as a pub, and he has to work with that.”

Munnelly added: “The previous occupant has failed to – I need to couch my language a bit more carefully – has not made the operation commercially successful The pub is viable, but as Milan suggested, what it might entail is our client may need to take stock of the existing climate and make a reappraisal of what he can achieve in terms of rent for any new tenant.”

White Swan
Mendoza bought the freehold to the White Swan in March 2015

Dillon asked: “Are you aware of the rent demands made on the previous occupier? That could have been a contributory factor, I’m disappointed to hear the owner could consider a rent strategy because he could have done that with the previous occupier.” Asking where Mendoza was advertising the pub, he said it appeared that “the owner’s influence is a big contributory factor” to the pub being unviable. There was no response to these points.

Fletcher said he would be supporting the application “with a great deal of reluctance”, saying that he did not think that refusing on the grounds that the pub would be affected would be defensible if Mendoza took the issue to a planning inspector.

“We can’t micromanage the rent policy of the owners of the site – they will have heard loud and clear what we think of that, but it’s not a planning consideration,” he said.

But Dillon said he believed noise would be an issue: “I don’t believe a fence at the end of the development is going to be sufficient to address a noise problem with the occupants – if you know that area, sound doesn’t necessarily travel in the same line. Without the trees to muffle that sound, it will not only go into the surrounding area but it will go into Charlton Park.”

Chair Stephen Brain said it was a “very sensitive issue”. “I’d be concerned about noise if we said it was a live music venue, but [the venue] is inside it and not in the back garden, and I don’t think sound will bounce off the back wall of Charlton but be absorbed by it,” he said.

“I think [rejecting the scheme] would be very, very hard to defend at appeal,” he said.

Dillon and Abbey Wood councillor Clive Mardner voted against the scheme, Woolwich Dockyard councilor Dominic Mbang abstained, and Brain and Fletcher voted for it.

With the votes tied, Brain said: “My casting vote with a heavy heart is to approve the officers’ recommendation.”

He later said it was “not an easy decision”.

Mendoza’s first attempt at development, to build two homes, in October 2015, was thrown out by Greenwich Council planners. That decision was upheld by a planning inspector. A second attempt was rejected earlier in 2017. The third attempt, for one three-bedroom house, was rejected by council planners in December 2017 and again by a planning inspector in January. This scheme was submitted a year ago; the closed pub was made an asset of community value in July.

The White Swan is the second pub in south-east London to have developers succeed in attempting to redevelop parts of their premises this week. On Monday, developers gained consent to turn the upper floors of the White Hart on New Cross Road into flats after appealing to a planning inspector; Lewisham Council had previously refused the scheme.

You can watch the White Swan discussion for yourself in the YouTube video above – the key parts begin at one hour in.


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Help Charlton’s local police decide their priorities with this survey

Springfield Grove estate
Antisocial behaviour on Springfield Grove is one of the concerns mentioned

We weren’t sent anything about this, so we’re a bit late to the party, but the Met Police team in Charlton ward are asking for residents’ views on what they should be keeping out for.

If you’re not sure if you live in Charlton ward, here’s a map…

Charlton ward map

…and if you want to fill in the survey, here it is: www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/05RWPS/

We once asked the police if they could let us know about crime alerts – so we can pass them on to you and 2,000 other readers each week, rather than you having to sign up to closed social networks – and we didn’t even get a response. So we’ve filled it in asking again. Fingers crossed.

There are also details of how to get involved with the local safer neighbourhood panel, which helps set priorities. This has been a bit of a closed-shop in the past, so it’s good to see it being opened up – if you’re interested, let them know.


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Planning application goes in for 766 new homes on site of Morris Walk Estate

Trinity Park
The plans envisage taller blocks to the north of the site

Developer Lovell has submitted its planning application to redevelop the Morris Walk Estate on the Charlton/Woolwich border, with 766 new homes planned.

The application comes less than two weeks after the final consultation into the scheme ended. Locals will be able to have their say in the coming weeks when Greenwich Council’s planning department publishes full details of the scheme and asks for formal submissions. Lovell already has outline permission to build here, this application fills in the details.

Much of the old estate – built as 562 council homes between 1964 and 1966 – has now been demolished, although some tenants are still living in blocks to the north of the estate, off Woolwich Church Street.

Of the 766 homes promised, 177 will be for affordable rent (about half market rent) with 76 available for shared ownership. It promises “a high quality inclusive design which is sympathetic to the surrounding area, strengthening the visual connection across the rail line and providing green links to Maryon Park. The scale and form of the new buildings respond to the existing homes in the immediate context and integrate new green squares for people to meet and play.”

The company plans to build a mixture of one, two, three and four-bedroom houses and apartments, with more “affordable” housing and a cluster of taller blocks – of up to 13 storeys – to the north of the site. It plans 304 homes in the north of the site, of which 87 would be for affordable rent and 42 for shared ownership. There would be 144 car parking spaces.

To the south there would be more private housing, including blocks of up to six storeys high with houses closer to Maryon Park. Some 44 per cent of homes south of the railway line would have three bedrooms or more. There would be 462 homes, including 90 for affordable rent and 34 for shared ownership. There would be 281 car parking spaces, many beneath buildings to “to reduce on street car dominance and create a more pedestrian-friendly environment”.

If planning permission is given, Lovell hopes to start work in autumn 2021.

Lovell Trinity Park render
The view from Maryon Park – where Denmark House stood until recently

The development is part of a 12-year deal with Greenwich Council signed in 2012 which also includes the crumbling Maryon Road and Maryon Grove estates, which will also be rebuilt by Lovell, with a planning application scheduled for 2023. It has already turned Woolwich’s notorious Connaught estate into a new development called Trinity Walk.

However, there have been a series of hitches along the way: demolition of Morris Walk was due to begin two years ago; but when that date was missed it was claimed the development had been delayed for seven years.

Last summer a senior Greenwich councillor complained that Lovell had “let the council down”, but demolition finally got under way this summer. However, neighbours were annoyed after emergency services were allowed to carry out exercises in the fenced-off estate without informing them.

Mick Laws, the development and precommencement director at Lovell London, said: “This is an exciting regeneration programme for the area and if planning is granted, will not only provide new homes but much needed inward investment and jobs. Lovell is dedicated to building the proposed homes and working closely with Royal Borough of Greenwich throughout the process.”

Update: You can now see full details of the plans for Morris North and Morris South.


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Lockdown 2: Charlton Lido users hope petition will save open-air swimming

Charlton Lido pool
Autumn at Charlton Lido. Photo © Neil Clasper.

Last week, we reported that Charlton Lido would be opening during the day all through November. New swimmers have discovered the lido during lockdown, and it is the first time since the pool reopened that swimming has been available during the colder, darker months.

The new English lockdown puts a stop to this from Thursday:

To reduce social contact, the Government has ordered certain businesses and venues to close. These include indoor and outdoor leisure facilities such as bowling alleys, leisure centres and gyms, sports facilities including swimming pools, golf courses and driving ranges, dance studios, stables and riding centres, soft play facilities, climbing walls and climbing centres, archery and shooting ranges, water and theme parks.

A petition has been created to convince the government that open-air facilities such as Charlton Lido should be an exception.

Open-air swimming pools should remain open:
●WHO & Gov state that transmission of Covid-19 outdoors is lower
●CDCP states “no evidence that Covid-19 can spread to people through recreational water”
● WHO states that chlorine kills Covid-19

The petition can be found at petition.parliament.uk/petitions/555079.


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Coronavirus in Charlton: It’s okay to ask for help – here’s where to get it

Keep your distance sign
Staying two metres apart remains vital

With coronavirus spreading fast once again, Greenwich Council’s public health team is ramping up its work in Charlton. If you need help or assistance, don’t be afraid to ask for help. Here’s some information about where we are now, what you can do, and how to get help. And please spread the word.

New Tier 2 restrictions

London – including the borough of Greenwich – is in Tier 2 of the government’s restrictions. There are 3 tiers, or levels – tier 1 (medium risk), tier 2 (high risk), and tier 3 (very high risk).

With Greenwich in tier 2, this means that to keep everybody as safe as possible, we can no longer meet people from other households indoors, whether that is at home or in a pub or restaurant. The rule of six still applies when meeting people outdoors.

As well as following the tier 2 guidelines, there are 3 simple actions we must all do to keep protecting each other:

  • Hands – keep washing your hands regularly
  • Face – wear a face covering in enclosed spaces
  • Space – stay at least two metres apart (or one metre with a face covering or other precautions).
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Getting tested for coronavirus

If you have coronavirus symptoms: (a high temperature, a new, continuous cough, a loss of, or change to, your sense of smell or taste), even if they’re only mild, it’s important to get a test and stay at home until you get your result.

In Greenwich, there are several sites where testing is available. Booking is essential for all testing centres. Order a home test kit if you cannot get to a test site.

Please go to gov.uk/get-coronavirus-test. If you have problems using the online service, call 119. Lines are open 7am to 11pm.

Testing is not available at the emergency department at the hospital or at your GP practice, so please do try to get a test there.

Support if you test positive and have to self-isolate

If your test result is positive, you and your household will need to stay at home and self-isolate for 14 days. This is important to stop the virus spreading and to keep your community safe. See more information about self-isolating.

This can be stressful and worrying when you need to go to work. If you are unable to claim sick pay from your employer and are a low income household, you may be able to claim a one-off £500 payment to help support you and your family during these 14 days.

Find out if you are eligible to apply for this payment or call 0800 470 4831.

Support if you are self-isolating

Getting support

This is a difficult and worrying time for us all, and it’s normal to feel anxious and low. People may also now be more isolated than before, but there is still lots of support available, whether it’s financial, physical or emotional, and it’s okay to ask for this support.

Visit Live Well Greenwich for more information, advice and support or call 0800 470 4831 to talk to a trained, friendly advisor.


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Trinity Park: We’ve decoded the bizarre consultation for rebuilt Morris Walk Estate

Danny Thorpe and Lovells execs
Greenwich Council leader Danny Thorpe (second left) on site for the start of demolition at Morris Walk during the summer

A new consultation about what will replace the Morris Walk Estate has been launched. However, you’re unlikely to have heard about it until this week, even though it launched last Friday, and it’s probably the strangest consultation we’ve ever come across – and we’ve seen a few in our time.

As a public service, we’ve taken the videos from it and are hosting them here so you can take part without having to flail around with a smartphone.

Demolition work is taking place on the Morris Walk Estate so it can be replaced by a new development, Trinity Park. The estate went up quickly in the mid-1960s, and it’s coming down quickly too – Denmark House, the tower block next to Maryon Park, has all but gone in just four weeks. The demolition teams could have been even speedier, but we’re hearing great care is being taken to avoid disturbing the neighbours. So far, so good.

The development is to be built by Lovell, which has turned the notorious Connaught Estate in Woolwich into Trinity Walk. It plans to replace the 562 homes of Morris Walk (all built for council housing) with 768 homes – 35 per cent will be “affordable”. The planning definition of “affordable” differs from the dictionary definition: a previous planning permission saw this break down to 25 per cent social rent and 10 per cent shared ownership, although a new planning application is on its way. We’d expect the social rent to be London Affordable Rent, which is half market rent – slightly higher than Greenwich Council rents, which are about 40 per cent market rents and among the cheapest in London.

Lovell will also demolish the dilapidated Maryon Road and Maryon Grove estates in due course; these are being handled separately.

Lovell leaflet
Lovell’s consultation leaflet – good luck with that

Lovell’s latest consultation began on Friday. It lasts a week. While other developers have made efforts to keep in touch with us about major schemes in SE7, Lovell didn’t tell us about this. It does say it told 290 surrounding residents, however, and left leaflets in locations including New Charlton Community Centre, St Thomas Church, Windrush Primary School and Time Court care home.

The consultation involves you having to point your mobile phone at QR codes which then bring up a series of videos. It’s not very accessible, to say the least – heaven knows what they made of it in the care home.

So we’ve got hold of the videos, uploaded them to our own site, and are presenting them here ourselves, right here on The Charlton Champion.

Lovell says it is unable to hold a physical consultation because of the pandemic, but others are making better jobs of it – see this Greenwich Council consultation into new housing in Eltham, or Aitch Group’s plans for Eastmoor Street.

Anyway, make yourself a cuppa, sit back, and find out more about what’s planned. (If you’re in a hurry, skip to video 6.)

By the way, we can’t change the music. Sorry.



Video 1: A brief introduction. You can probably skip this, to be honest.



Video 2: A description of the dismantling and demolition work. Morris North = north of the railway line. Morris South = south of it.



Video 3: A description of past consultation events. Local people like the public transport and green space; hate the fact they’re living next to crumbling estates with antisocial behaviour, flytipping and parked cars. They would like a small supermarket and for the development to fit in with its neighbours.



Video 4: A description of the area. Yes, you know it, but it’s all about context.



Video 5: Now it’s an introduction to the masterplan. Odd to claim that one of the downsides of the Morris Walk Estate was that it didn’t have enough private housing, but there you go. However, this promises a mix of private, shared ownership and “affordable” homes (at least they’re separated the last two out) and pledges the railway will be used to unite rather than divide the community. Taller buildings will be placed nearer the A206, smaller buildings at the Charlton end.



Video 6: The interesting bits begin. Plans for Morris North: 304 new homes (296 flats, eight houses) with blocks of up to 13 storeys. 144 car parking spaces, mostly underground. Public courtyards with green spaces, and views to the parks and across the Thames (from the 13th floor, presumably).



Video 7: Morris South plans: 462 homes (309 flats, 153 houses) with blocks of up to six storeys. Houses to fit in with their neighbours on Maryon Road and Woodland Terrace. A new pedestrian street, Maryon Park Avenue, will lead right from the park towards Woolwich Dockyard. 288 car parking spaces, to be designed so it doesn’t feel there are cars everywhere.



Video 8: What happens next. Please send your feedback and work goes on to finalise the planning applications.


Here are the exhibition boards to download, if the text on the videos is small to read.

However, they don’t include the renders of what’s proposed, so we’ve taken some screenshots. Much of the work closer to Charlton looks decent. It’s a shame the mess of a consultation lets it down.

Lovell Trinity Park render
The view from Maryon Park – where Denmark House stood until recently
Trinity Park render
The view along Maryon Park Avenue
Lovell render
Looking up Prospect Vale
Roughly where Woodland Terrace, Charlton, meets Prospect Vale, Woolwich. New housing planned for old tower block site
Lovell render
Looking along the railway line between Morris North and Morris South from Maryon Park
Morris North render
The view from Woolwich Church Street
Trinity Park
An overview of the whole development

One you’ve watched all that, you can send feedback using this form. Closing date is this Thursday, 30 October – we’d have told you about this earlier if we knew.

Please tell them we sent you.


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Free autumn half-term meals at Charlton Manor School

Charlton Manor School
The school has a track record for healthy eating initiatives

Boris Johnson and his government don’t think vulnerable children should be helped with free half-term meals during the pandemic. Others disagree. At Charlton Manor School, they are offering free meals this half-term between noon and 1.45pm.

The school has a track record of healthy eating initiatives, including opening a community café last year.

Further afield, Greenwich Council is also offering free meals between noon and 1pm each day at Woolwich library, and Woolwich Adventure Playcentre at 2pm on Friday (see other locations). The Pelton Arms in Greenwich is offering free pizzas today, Wednesday and Thursday from 1pm to 3pm (see details).

We don’t usually lift things from Twitter (please let us know about your news and events) but this seemed too important to miss.


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