Charlton skate park: Work starts as council plans October opening

Charlton skate park site, 24 July 2017
It’s coming… work began today on turning a corner of Charlton Park into a new skate park. Greenwich Council plans to have the new facility ready in October, and work is due to take place on the site between 8am and 6pm on weekdays.

Detailed designs were given final planning permission earlier this month. Already, a tree has been felled to make way for the new facility, which will curve around the outdoor gym.

The skate park, which is funded by Berkeley Homes and replaces one it has built on in Woolwich, caused some controversy with a Friends of Charlton Park group being formed to fight the proposals.

However, with that battle lost, the group is looking for new members – so if you want to get in involved in the future of Charlton Park and its new skate park, application forms should be in the Old Cottage Cafe.

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Charlton skate park: First detailed images emerge with construction planned for summer

Charlton skate park

The first images of the planned skate park for Charlton Park have been published as part of the final planning application for the scheme.

Charlton skate park

They show the park, which was given outline planning permission by Greenwich councillors in September, curving around the current mini-gym.

This latest planning application fills in the detailed design for the scheme, with construction due to take place on weekdays only between June and September.

A viewing mound will be created, while the existing table tennis tables will be moved. One tree will be lost to create the skate park.

Charlton skate park

Rather embarrassingly for Greenwich Council, which is commissioning the facility, the designers have managed to spell “Greenwich” wrongly.

The full report and more images are available on the Greenwich Council website. (If that link doesn’t work, try this one.) You can make comments to Greenwich Council – it’s planning reference 17/1288/R.

Charlton skate park gets go-ahead from Greenwich councillors

Charlton skate park site
The skate park will wrap around the outdoor gym

Charlton Park is all lined up to get its skate park after councillors backed the scheme at a planning meeting on Wednesday evening.

The new skate park is funded by £365,000 from Berkeley Homes, which is building on the site of an old facility at Royal Arsenal Gardens, Woolwich, and £15,000 from Greenwich Council.

Councillors on the borough’s planning board voted by 10-1 to endorse outline proposals for the scheme.

The meeting saw Denise Hyland – the only council leader in London to regularly sit on her borough’s main planning committee – withdraw after objectors pointed out she had voiced support for the scheme at a council meeting last year.

But councillors criticised objectors for stereotyping young people as troublemakers, and voiced the hope that the facility would help residents become fitter and more active.

Objectors had submitted a 50-page dossier of local newspaper reports focusing of allegations of anti-social behaviour at skateboard parks elsewhere in the UK, while one, John Tidy, said: “It’s the wrong design, and it’ll get covered in graffiti.”

One resident, Geoff Cooper, claimed wheelchair users were at risk of falling into the skate park, which will be dug out of ground behind the outdoor gym, meaning a tree will be felled and two table tennis tables will be moved. Another called skateboarding “a minority sport”, adding it would be “unfair that the majority of [park] users won’t want to use it”.

Two local councillors, Charlton ward’s Gary Parker and Kidbrooke with Hornfair David Stanley, backed the objectors, but on the surer ground of the facility’s management.

Parker said there was no management plan for the park, adding that Charlton Lido operator GLL was interested in being involved if the skate park was in nearby Hornfair Park.

Stanley said there was “no evidence of a proper noise assessment”, adding that there were already anti-social behaviour issues at the Canberra Road entrance to Charlton Park. He added that there were already many sporting facilities in Charlton and Kidbrooke and a better skatepark could be placed in the east of Greenwich borough “where there is more social deprivation”.

Former councillor Jim Gillman told the meeting: “If council officers look hard enough, they can find a more suitable place.”

But the skate park’s backers found support from Charlton ward councillor Miranda Williams and fellow cabinet member Jackie Smith, who said Charlton Park was the only site that fulfilled the criteria for a skate park, including accessibility by public transport.

“If there is anti-social behaviour we will deal with it. But there won’t be,” she said. “Skateboarders currently use General Gordon Square [in Woolwich] and there is no graffiti.”

skatepark plans

Andrew Donkin, who organised a petition in support of the skate park, said there would be no problems in a skate park that could not be solved. “It’s not like landing a man on the moon,” he added.

Local skateboard fan Kevin First explained how we was still riding a board at the age of 38. “It’s not just for teenagers,” he said, adding that a similar facility in Clissold Park, Stoke Newington was barely visible to the public. Another supporter said skateboarding had given him confidence that had helped him start his own business.

Stuart Hopper, of the Greenwich Skate Park Co-Op, said the park should help boost social integration, and that “oversight” – having plenty of people near it – would help it become a safer facility.

Planning decisions in Greenwich often fall on party lines, but Conservatives Matt Clare and Geoff Brighty also supported the scheme, with Brighty even suggesting he might try skateboarding after hearing evidence from older enthusiasts.

The only dissenter was planning chair Mark James, who objected to the effect on the Charlton Village conservation area.

Councillors backed the scheme with conditions including no construction work on Saturdays. But before that work can go ahead, the council’s agent will have to return to the planning board with more detailed proposals that meet those conditions.

If they are quick, the park could be in place next summer – it’s understood concrete skate parks can’t be built in winter, so the earliest work could start is next spring. But considering the glacial pace of this scheme, perhaps summer 2018 is more likely.

Charlton Champion comment: While Wednesday’s decision looks like bringing the saga to an end, the skate park battle has been dispiriting even by the low standards of Greenwich borough politics.

Few come out of this with any credit, except the council staff lumbered with polishing up the scheme, and the local parents and skateboard fans who have taken the idea and backed it.

A well-maintained facility would Charlton Park’s appeal. But the consultation-free choice of location raised eyebrows considering the council opened a BMX track in Hornfair Park only a few years back – with some suspecting Charlton Park was picked as a salvo in long-running squabbles in the local Labour establishment, with some of the council leadership’s fiercest internal critics living nearby.

Critics also suggest there is no overall strategy for the skatepark – or the park itself – and raise questions about its future funding. Essentially, Woolwich is losing a skate park because Berkeley Homes did not want it anywhere near its luxury homes, and gave the council money to build it elsewhere, albeit within three miles of Woolwich.

A recent Freedom of Information request revealed that there is just a £62,000 annual budget for all playgrounds and skate parks in the borough. There is no evidence of an plan to secure outside funding.

So it looks as if much of the onus for caring for the skate park will fall on those who use it. This may not be a bad thing – skate park fans are a resourceful and passionate bunch – but it helps if the council has a plan for how to incorporate the energy and talents of the park’s users.

But many critics over-stepped the mark with lurid claims that the skate park would increase crime, as they did at Wednesday’s meeting. Council staff rebutted these claims in a recent petition response – pointing out, as Miranda Williams did on Wednesday, there is evidence that they can be good for local communities. It all felt like the failed campaign to stop the Olympics coming to Greenwich Park.

Objectors were right to highlight council leader Denise Hyland’s role on the planning board – an issue which has been highlighted elsewhere and will continue to cause problems for the council. One exchange saw Hyland ask objector Frank Salmon: “Do I know you?”. “Yes, you abused me at a council meeting,” he responded.

But the sudden emergence of a Friends of Charlton Park group in response to the skatepark proposals was as disingenuous and cynical as anything to come out of the town hall. Charlton Park is an amazing but overlooked facility – it deserves better than being squabbled over by two equally cynical sides.

There’s also been a lack of leadership from local councillors – unwilling to publicly stand up the council leadership, or to bother selling the skateparks merits to local people until the day of the meeting itself. If councillors feel unable to speak publicly on a local issue in their own ward, this is not healthy.

We’ve no doubt that the skate park will be a success – just as the outdoor mini-gym has been. There’s certainly the demand from young people for sport in the park, as a look around Charlton Park at weekends would tell you.

But this could have been handled so much better. We hope those who want the skate park get the facility they want and deserve – and the politicians and their friends at Berkeley Homes step aside and allow skateboard users to take the plaudits when the opening day finally comes.

Charlton Park skatepark reaches first planning stage – have your say

The skatepark would wrap around the outdoor gym
The skatepark would wrap around the outdoor gym

Greenwich Council planners are seeking views on the proposed skatepark in Charlton Park – so if you’ve got a strong view on the proposal, now’s the chance to have your say.

The proposals, which have attracted petitions both for and against the scheme, would see an L-shaped facility built around the mini-gym to the south of the Charlton Lane entrance.

You can see the initial plans for yourself on the Greenwich Council website (search the online planning system for 16/0058/O if the link doesn’t work).

This application is to get permission for the location and size (900m²) – full details, including the final design, will follow in a further application, if this one gets the nod.

So there’s no visualisation of how the landscaped facility will look – the closest you’ll find is a site plan showing the dimensions of the skate park.

skatepark plans

The location has been chosen for its “minimal effect on Charlton House”, according to a statement from Woolwich-based architecture firm Martin Arnold, which is handling the scheme for Greenwich Council.

It adds:

“The proposed design will aim to be sympathetic to Charlton Park with features of the skatepark complementing materials and finishes from Charlton House. The open nature of the park will try to be maintained by sinking the skatepark within the ground to reduce the visual impact of the proposal within Charlton Park and also assist in noise reduction.

“The skatepark will be excavated into the ground at different depths and heights with a maximum measurement of 1600mm below the existing ground level. The proposed skatepark will not extend more than 750mm above the existing ground level, for reference the adjacent climbing wall is approximately 2000mm above the existing ground level.

Comments need to be with Greenwich Council – either through the planning website or by emailing planning[at]royalgreenwich.gov.uk – by 15 March.

The proposals have been controversial since they first emerged in July 2014, mainly due to the lack of public consultation on the scheme.

Funding for the scheme is coming from Berkeley Homes, which is paying £365,000 towards the facility to replace the skatepark at Royal Arsenal Gardens, Woolwich. A condition of the money was that the new park had to be within two miles of Woolwich. A further £15,000 is coming from the council.

Sites at Hornfair Park and Barrier Park were also considered, this website has also discovered that a site at Villas Road, Plumstead was also briefly in contention. A “stakeholders’ forum” has been meeting regularly since then to discuss the proposals.

A Friends of Charlton Park group was set up to oppose the proposals. A 728-name petition was dismissed by the council last year.

A counter-petition to support the park, signed by 1,038 people, was also presented to the council and received a rather warmer response:

“Charlton Park was deemed the most suitable location for a skate park because it is a visible, safe area that: is easily accessible by foot or public transport, has existing infrastructure such as toilets and floodlighting and is close to local amenities. It will also complement the existing sport and leisure provision in the park.

“Royal Greenwich sees this project as an exciting opportunity to not only revitalise facilities for existing skateboarders and riders, but as something that will bring added value to Charlton Park and the Royal Borough as a whole.”

Despite this official support from the council, one curious feature of the scheme is that local councillors have been lukewarm at best in their backing for the proposals.

Since the planning application is not fully detailed, one thing is certain – the skatepark saga has some way to stagger on yet.