It’s coming… work began today on turning a corner of Charlton Park into a new skate park. Greenwich Council plans to have the new facility ready in October, and work is due to take place on the site between 8am and 6pm on weekdays.
Detailed designs were given final planning permission earlier this month. Already, a tree has been felled to make way for the new facility, which will curve around the outdoor gym.
However, with that battle lost, the group is looking for new members – so if you want to get in involved in the future of Charlton Park and its new skate park, application forms should be in the Old Cottage Cafe.
This application is to get permission for the location and size (900m²) – full details, including the final design, will follow in a further application, if this one gets the nod.
So there’s no visualisation of how the landscaped facility will look – the closest you’ll find is a site plan showing the dimensions of the skate park.
The location has been chosen for its “minimal effect on Charlton House”, according to a statement from Woolwich-based architecture firm Martin Arnold, which is handling the scheme for Greenwich Council.
“The proposed design will aim to be sympathetic to Charlton Park with features of the skatepark complementing materials and finishes from Charlton House. The open nature of the park will try to be maintained by sinking the skatepark within the ground to reduce the visual impact of the proposal within Charlton Park and also assist in noise reduction.
“The skatepark will be excavated into the ground at different depths and heights with a maximum measurement of 1600mm below the existing ground level. The proposed skatepark will not extend more than 750mm above the existing ground level, for reference the adjacent climbing wall is approximately 2000mm above the existing ground level.
Comments need to be with Greenwich Council – either through the planning website or by emailing planning[at]royalgreenwich.gov.uk – by 15 March.
Funding for the scheme is coming from Berkeley Homes, which is paying £365,000 towards the facility to replace the skatepark at Royal Arsenal Gardens, Woolwich. A condition of the money was that the new park had to be within two miles of Woolwich. A further £15,000 is coming from the council.
Sites at Hornfair Park and Barrier Park were also considered, this website has also discovered that a site at Villas Road, Plumstead was also briefly in contention. A “stakeholders’ forum” has been meeting regularly since then to discuss the proposals.
A counter-petition to support the park, signed by 1,038 people, was also presented to the council and received a rather warmer response:
“Charlton Park was deemed the most suitable location for a skate park because it is a visible, safe area that: is easily accessible by foot or public transport, has existing infrastructure such as toilets and floodlighting and is close to local amenities. It will also complement the existing sport and leisure provision in the park.
“Royal Greenwich sees this project as an exciting opportunity to not only revitalise facilities for existing skateboarders and riders, but as something that will bring added value to Charlton Park and the Royal Borough as a whole.”
Despite this official support from the council, one curious feature of the scheme is that local councillors have been lukewarm at best in their backing for the proposals.
Since the planning application is not fully detailed, one thing is certain – the skatepark saga has some way to stagger on yet.
Paul Chapman reports on the latest meeting of the Charlton Park skatepark stakeholders group:
I went along to a recent skate park stakeholders meeting at Woolwich Town Hall on Friday and thought I’d report back.
Although ostensibly the meeting was to report on the findings of the feasibility study and get feedback, there was also a large amount of anger directed at both the idea of a Charlton Park skate park in general, and specifically at the manner in which the consultation had taken place.
First, the feasibility study.
The initial consultation had given residents the choice of three locations, all within Charlton Park. Amy London, project manager for the Skate Park, went through the various reasons why Locations C and B had been rejected and Location A agreed upon.
The short version is that Location C (in the corner by the cemetery and the hospital) was too out-of-the-way and Location B was deemed too close to homes over the road and the horses at the Riding for the Disabled area. Location A was the preferred option, both by the public and the planners.
Originally tucked into the corner, the location has since been shifted south slightly to form an L-shape around the outdoor gym. That move was to take the park further from homes (the original location was deemed too close) but brings the park into the sightline from Charlton House. English Heritage, and others, had been consulted over the sightline and their feedback was that so long as the skate park was mostly sunken, and was surrounded properly by soft landscaping (that’s trees and bushes to you and me), then the various heritage bodies were satisfied.
At the end of the meeting a quick trip round the table suggested that all present agreed that of the options presented, the only real possibility had been chosen. Nobody doubted the ability and commitment of Amy and her team – including project architect Rob Montague – to deliver.
A skate park already exists at Royal Arsenal Gardens in Woolwich. The land has been sold to Berkeley Homes and the council has received Section 106 money with which to replace the facility. Conditions on the money state that the replacement facility must be within 2 miles of the existing facility and the council, at a meeting last year, deemed Charlton Park the only suitable venue. So a skate park we shall have.
To put my own cards on the tablem I would be happy to see a skate park in the suggested location. I have two young children and I think they would love it (figures quoted at the meeting suggest around 80% of users of skate parks are small kids on scooters).
I also think Charlton Park has plenty of space and losing a relatively small amount of grass (1,000 square metres) is acceptable if the facility is of a high standard (nobody wants a bad skate park). It’s also a view shared by many parents I know.
But others at the meeting disagreed, often vehemently, and argued in particular that a skate park would generate a large amount of noise and would ‘destroy’ the tranquility of the park and specifically the oasis of calm that is the Old Cottage Coffee Shop.
I contacted the site via social media asking who exactly these Friends were but received no reply. The coffee shop also has a written petition inside inviting people to oppose the skate park.
The anger felt by some at the meeting at the skate parks proximity to the Coffee Shop was compounded by the fact that members of the public were not given an option to vote ‘None of the Above’ in the initial consultation.
As one angry coffee-drinker put it: “It is as if someone has moved into your house, but given you a choice of wallpaper that they will put up.”
While conceding that consultation had been poor, members of the local skating community at the meeting were quick to point out that Charlton Park was a facility for everybody and at the moment skaters were poorly served in the borough; Royal Arsenal Gardens is the only skate park at present, and that is destined to become flats. To add insult to injury there was talk of a new byelaw (or possibly the use of existing ones, details were sketchy) to stop skateboarders in General Gordon Square and other public spaces.
It’s hard to escape the view that skaters are seen as a blot on the landscape and are being shoved out of view of the shiny new Woolwich.
Another point made by a local skater was that the BMX track at Hornfair Park had attracted similar concern over antisocial behaviour but those fears had not been realised. There was no reason to suggest a skate park would be any different.
And so the meeting wound to a close with a general consensus that the decisions taken so far by Amy and the team were the correct ones.
However, there remained a strong sense that the park was being imposed on residents by a council in a hurry to ‘fix’ a problem they had bought on themselves through their sale of land to Berkeley Homes. There was concern raised that the three local Charlton ward councillors appeared to be doing little to facilitate local concerns.
There will be further consultation on the design of the skate park, with work due to start in February 2016 and the skate park opening later that year.
The “stakeholders forum” is ongoing and a trip is planned to see both a good and a bad skate park in London so people can see for themselves what works and what doesn’t.
In previous years the event has taken place in Regent’s Park, close to their previous St John’s Wood home, but this year’s inspection will take place in Charlton Park, a stone’s throw from the base in Woolwich they moved to in February 2012.
Two rehearsals of the Troop’s famous Musical Drive took place in the park last week, with the Royal Artillery Band returning to Greenwich borough after their 200-year association with Woolwich ended last February.
Unless the arrival of a new royal baby requires the King’s Troop RHA to be peforming a gun salute elsewhere, the Annual Inspection will take place on Tuesday morning at 10am.
As your article mentioned, this public consultation is intended to get initial feedback from parks users, residents, skaters and interested parties.
Charlton Park has been identified as a good location because it has good public transport links, and the skatepark will build on range of existing park facilities. We are also very keen that all young people, including pupils at the neighbouring Charlton Park Academy can access this great new facility.
I know from some of the comments made there have been questions about why this consultation does not include copies of proposed plans, CGI images of what the skatepark may look like, or a detailed schedule for the development which sets out when work will start and finish. Here, I hope to reassure readers that detailed plans, including the design specs, proposed images, and a full build schedule will be coming, and that of this will be open to the full planning process and further public consultation.
So at this early stage, we’re seeking feedback on three suggested locations within the park, and we want people to give us their contact details if they wish to be more actively involved as the plans develop further.
As part of the process, a user group will be formed to ensure that those who want to play a more active role can do so – if this is you, get in touch.
I’m confident that with the active involvement of the local community we will have a popular, top quality and accessible skatepark that we can all be proud of.
Can I also take this opportunity to encourage Charlton Champion readers to view and engage with the current consultation (at www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/consultations) before the deadline next Monday – December 1.
The Royal Borough is planning to replace a large piece of playground equipment in Charlton Park Playground as it is worn out and beyond economical repair. Before we replace this playground equipment we would like your view on what you would like the equipment replaced with and we have 3 design options we should like you to choose from.
As consultations go, it’s pretty basic: you can vote for one of the options shown above, with no further information provided on the context, costs, or benefits; it’s also unclear when we can expect the equipment to be installed. The closing message suggests: If you have any queries regarding the design options please contact firstname.lastname@example.org – should any readers be interested in trying to find out a bit more (let us know if you do!).