Charlton Lido refused premises licence after neighbours’ petition

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Months of poor communications with members and neighbours caught up with Charlton Lido’s management on Monday when Greenwich Council refused permission for a premises licence which would have enabled the lido to serve alcohol and hold live events.

GLL, which runs the lido, wanted a licence to hold members’ events as well as to hire it out for “book signings, film launches and art exhibitions”.

But neighbours got up a 94-name petition complaining about disturbance from events already held, and claiming that their complaints to GLL had been ignored.

Backed by Kidbrooke with Hornfair councillor Norman Adams, they claimed there had been “no communication” before events were held. Others complained about sleepless nights and even disturbance from the lido’s current operation during the daytime.

A Greenwich Council licensing sub-committee concluded that GLL “displayed an inability to manage the premises while holding events”.

“Whilst the Lido management had significant experience in managing leisure centres it was not felt that the applicant had demonstrated that they would be able to manage licensed events and uphold the licensing objectives. The Sub-Committee were of the opinion that the nature of the venue meant that even a small group of people would cause a disturbance. Whilst a number of conditions had been proposed the Sub Committee were not satisfied based on the evidence given by the applicant that events could be properly controlled,” the council’s decision notice reads.

The setback for the lido follows a string of avoidable problems caused by poor communications with members, including short notice changes to opening times, a “customer forum” that hadn’t been advertised to customers, and last year’s short-lived decision to rename the facility “Royal Greenwich Lido”.

GLL now has three weeks to decide if it wants to appeal against the decision and take the case to a magistrates’ court.

Charlton Lido wants an alcohol licence – but its neighbours aren’t happy…

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GLL has applied for a premises licence to allow ‘the Supply of Alcohol (on sales only), provision of live and recorded music (Indoors only) Monday to Sunday from 11:00 hours until 23:00 hours‘ at Charlton Lido, with the application to be heard on October 6th.

An overview of the application can be found here, and details of objections raised are here. The deadline for representations was 16th September.

Charlton Lido licensing objection

But a 94-name petition has been submitted objecting to the application, along with 11 individual objections – pointing to some dissatisfaction amongst the lido’s neighbours over a number of issues, principally parking, noise, and the attitude of the lido management towards residents.

Do you live in the streets around the lido? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below.

Charlton Lido – reduced opening hours from October

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UPDATE OCTOBER 2nd The times below have since been further amended, with the pool remaining open on Fridays, and closing on Thursdays; the cafe will also close on Tuesdays and Thursdays. See the lido website for details.

An update on the Lido website brings news of reduced opening hours for the pool through October:

The October Pool Opening hours will be as follows :

Monday 7.00am-2.00pm

Tuesday Closed

Wednesday 12.00-7.00pm

Thursday 7.00am-2.00pm

Friday Closed

Saturday 9.00am-5.00pm

Sunday 9.00am-2.00pm

 

Additionally, from this week the pool will close at 8.30pm, rather than 9.30pm, on Wednesdays.

Lido sign, photo by Steve Toole

Meanwhile, London Fields Lido (also operated by GLL) looks to be maintaining its standard opening hours year-round, while also benefiting from investment in floodlights and underwater lighting to improve evening swimming.

Customer Forum?
There’s a Customer Forum taking place at Charlton Lido on 16th September to discuss the opening hours and other issues, with the centre’s management. We’re told invites have gone out to Lido members by email, and that the event has been advertised in the reception area. This particular member didn’t receive the email, and a number of readers have reported the same, so – if you are a member – it may be worth checking that you haven’t opted out (or been opted out of) email communications from GLL.

If you can’t make the meeting, and would like to have a say, we suggest emailing charltonlido@gll.org with your feedback in advance (and let us know what you think in the comments box below!).

 

Charlton Lido: weekday opening resumes

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Charlton Lido – South East London’s only heated, outdoor 50m pool – resumes weekday opening  from today. The pool (and ‘sun terrace’ – from which the photo above was taken) has been open on weekends through March, while the new gym facilities opened in early February. The cafe is expected to open around Easter.

Current pool opening hours are:
Monday – Friday: 7am to 6pm
Weekends: 9am to 5pm.

Check GLL’s website for the latest opening hours.

What’s on in Charlton: March

St Luke's Church - photo by Andrew Donkin
St Luke’s Church – photo by Andrew Donkin

Dates for your diary
A round-up of March events we’ve found in and around SE7. What have we missed? Let us know in the comments below or email neilclasper[at]gmail.com, and we’ll update the post as we get the chance.

28th Feb, 1st & 2nd March: Art exhibition in aid of the restoration of paintings owned by Charlton House. Charlton House.
[We note that the Charlton House events website hasn’t been updated for a while – if any of our local councillors know what’s going on here, we’d be grateful for an update]

2nd March: Charlton Community Gardens Gardening Party, Charlton station, 2-4pm.

7th March: International Women’s Day Celebration, Charlton House, 5-10pm. “Food, music, theatre, poetry and dance, a truly international evening of female talent”.

8th & 9th March:Charlton Lido Open Weekend: free swimming and barbecue. Swimming 9-5pm; Barbecue 12-5pm on the Saturday (we recommend checking the Better website for exact details nearer the time).

15th March: Charlton Society talk on ‘The Art of the Folly‘ by Russell Bowes. Charlton House, 2.30pm.

16th March: ‘SE7: Music From Around The World’. Cattleya, Charlton Church Lane, 7.30-10pm. ‘An evening of music from Central Charlton’s own resident band‘.

20th March: Charlton Pub Quiz – Rose of Denmark, from 8.30pm.

22nd March: Big Dig Day – Maryon Park Community Food Growing Garden, 10am-4pm.
– Help your local community garden get ready for the new growing season.
– See how the garden has developed since last year.
– Help to seed a wild flower meadow bank.
– Refreshments provided.

22nd March: Charlton Park Riding for the Disabled Association Open Day – “Join us for pony rides, fun & games!”. Charlton Park RDA, 11am – 4pm.

29th March: Charlton Toy Library Easter Party. Charlton Assembly Rooms, 2-4pm. £3 per person (under 12 months free) – tickets on sale at sessions at Charlton Toy Library, Charlton House (Tues, Thurs and Fri 09.30-12.30). Face painting and a raffle with fantastic prizes also available. All funds raised go to supporting Charlton Toy Library’s ongoing work at Charlton House, providing a safe and fun place to meet, play and borrow toys, books, games safety equipment and lots more”.

30th March: Live Music at Cattleya with Gus Glen. Charlton Church Lane, starts 8.30pm

Friday Lunchtime Concerts, Charlton House.

Disclaimer: These listings are up to date to the best of our knowledge, but we advise checking  details with the event organisers before attending any events.

Photo feature
Have you got a Charlton photo you’d like to share with the world? A shot of your favourite part of SE7, or a recent event? We’d love to feature some readers’ photos in our monthly diary round-up. Send your image to neilclasper[at]gmail.com with a title and – if you like – some words to tell us what the picture means to you (don’t worry: we’ll attribute the photo as you wish, and you’ll keep full control of copyright).

Victory for ‘We Call It Charlton Lido’ campaign

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GLL announced today that the refurbished Charlton Lido will be called ‘Charlton Lido and Lifestyle Club’, dropping plans to rename it as ‘Royal Greenwich Lido’. The ‘Lifestyle Club’ addition to the name refers to the gym and cafe facilities due to open in January 2014.

The message sent to Lido members this afternoon:

A common theme that came through in your feedback was the important place that the Lido has within the local Charlton community as well as its historical significance.

We have invested over £5 million so far refurbishing and extending the facilities and are committed to securing the Lido’s future as a local landmark and community facility for years to come.

In response to your comments the name we have chosen, Charlton Lido and Lifestyle Club, recognises the historical and community aspects of the Lido while incorporating the exciting developments to come. The new gym facilities will launch in mid January, with the pool re-opening in Spring.

We will be holding a series of open weekends in late January to give everyone the opportunity to see the new facility first hand. For the latest updates, visit www.better.org.uk/charltonlido or email us.

Today’s announcement reflects a victory for the ‘We Call It Charlton Lido’ campaign, set up after GLL started to rename the lido without any local consultation. An online petition gathered nearly 500 signatures, plus support from across the local political parties, and gained considerable coverage from local media.

This site would like to thank all those who supported the campaign!

PS, the first, informal meeting of the newly-launched Friends Of Charlton Lido takes place at 6.30pm on Monday 25 November, at Brew & Choo cafe (next to Charlton station).

Dates for your diary: Pub Quiz, FoCL, Winter Social

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7th November – Pub Quiz:  The Charlton Pub Quiz returns! Fans of quiz-master Paul’s sparkly jacket can see it in all its glory at 8.30pm at the Rose of Denmark. The pub quiz can also be found on Twitter – @CharltonPubQuiz – and if you don’t have a team you can contact the quiz-master there or leave a comment here and he’ll help to match you up. You can expect 6 rounds of classic trivia, such as sport, history, current affairs and the life and films of Bill Murray.*  Entry £2 per person, cash prizes from the quiz takings for winners.

* Maybe.

16th November – Thorntree School Christmas Craft Market:
Thorntree School is hosting its annual Christmas Craft Market on Saturday 16th of this month. Running from midday till 4:00pm the event showcases local crafts such as Kat’s Kalma handmade soaps, Nicola Corrigan designs, jewellery and vintage items. There are also cupcakes and other festive refreshments! Entry is £1 for adults and children go free. Organised by the Friends of Thorntree Association, money raised by the event goes towards their efforts to make purchases that the school may otherwise not afford. But it’s mostly a chance to go along and enjoy some Christmas cheer.

25th November – First meeting, Friends of Charlton Lido: You’ll know that Charlton Lido is very dear to the Champion’s heart, and that this blog has previously suggested that a Friends group should be set up to represent users’ interests and support our local pool. The first informal meeting of the Friends group will be held at 6:30pm in Brew and Choo. There’s more information on the new Friends of Charlton Lido site, and the group also has a Twitter account: @FoCLSE7.

28th November – The Charlton Champion’s Winter Social:  The Charlton Champion’s Summer Social was such a success that we thought we’d do it all over again, but in winter. If you’d like to meet the people behind the site, suggest stories, pass on gossip, meet other Charlton residents, or if you just fancy an excuse to get out of the house and have a pint, why not join us? We’ll be meeting at 8pm at the Rose of Denmark. It’d be really great if you could leave us a comment if you’re planning to come along so we have an idea of how many to expect.