Government cuts hit Charlton’s trains from Sunday – your guide to Southeastern’s new service

Call in Sick graffiti at Charlton station
This advice could become more tempting for many passengers

This Sunday will see the biggest rejig to rail services through Charlton since… well, the last one. But while the last two major changes have improved services, this one reduces them.

Before the pandemic, eight trains an hour served Charlton – six Southeastern trains and two Thameslink. Now a new timetable means this will, on the whole, be cut to six – four Southeastern trains and two Thameslink.

This reduction in services is at the behest of the Conservative government, which says that demand for trains does not warrant the service levels warranted three years ago.

There was no consultation, and local politicians and councillors of all parties criticised the plans. However, they are still going ahead.

Importantly from Charlton, there will no longer be any Charing Cross services (save for one late train two nights a week). Southeastern says this is to reduce pressure at the junction at Lewisham, where services to Charing Cross, Victoria and Cannon Street meet and cross. It also says this will make it easier to add services when demand picks up.

Changing at London Bridge is easier than it used to be, but the prospect of losing a direct link to the West End has angered many passengers. Southeastern says there will be extra staff on hand to help anybody who needs it.

The long-established “rounder” services which loop from the Sidcup line are also being scrapped – a pain for Charlton fans coming to The Valley. The less useful rounders to the Bexleyheath line remain.

Lewisham trains will also stop at St John’s and New Cross – but won’t run on Sundays at all, causing huge problems for anyone trying to reach other parts of southeast London.

Charlton escapes some of the worst of the new timetable – Westcombe Park, for example, will see yawning gaps open up when it once had trains every ten minutes. But it’s hard to see how this encourages anyone to ditch the car and travel sustainably, particularly on Sundays.

Charing Cross station
There’ll be no more Charing Cross trains from Sunday

Here’s a quick guide on what to expect – it is worth double-checking all times quoted.

Weekday morning summary
Before 6.30am, there are still seven trains to central London, including Thameslink services to Blackfriars and beyond. Between 6.30am and 9.30am, where most recently there were 24 trains, there are now just 20.

What time are the new morning peak-hour trains?
0634 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0640 Blackfriars via Greenwich
0647 Cannon Street via Lewisham
0703 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0710 Blackfriars via Greenwich
0717 Cannon Street via Lewisham
(16 minute gap just as the station gets busy)
0733 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0740 Blackfriars via Greenwich
0747 Cannon Street via Lewisham
0757 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0802 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0810 Blackfriars via Greenwich
0817 Cannon Street via Lewisham
0823 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0833 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0840 Blackfriars via Greenwich
0847 Cannon Street via Lewisham
0903 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0910 Blackfriars via Greenwich
0918 Cannon Street via Lewisham
All trains go to London Bridge. Trains to Blackfriars will carry on to City Thameslink, Farringdon, St Pancras and various destinations beyond.

What about the off-peak trains?
Broadly speaking, trains will now run to this pattern off-peak and on Saturdays:
03 Cannon Street via Greenwich
10 Blackfriars via Greenwich
17 Cannon Street via Lewisham
(16 minute gap)
33 Cannon Street via Greenwich
40 Blackfriars via Greenwich
47 Cannon Street via Lewisham
(16 minute gap)
The 17 and 47 trains may run a minute or two later at odd times during weekdays, but that’s the basic pattern.

Southeastern train
There will be fewer Southeastern services overall

I’m going the other way, when are my trains?
There are big gaps in the Kent-bound service, which now looks roughly like this:
05 Thameslink to Rainham
08 Southeastern to Gravesend
14 Southeastern to Barnehurst
(21 minute gap)
35 Thameslink to Rainham
38 Southeastern to Gravesend
44 Southeastern to Barnehurst
(another 21 minute gap)

What about trains home in the evening?
Check a journey planner.

What’s with the new stops on Lewisham trains?
They will now stop at St John’s (handy for Brockley Market on Saturdays) and New Cross, where you can change for the London Overground to Whitechapel and Dalston (although the connections aren’t great unless you’re heading home and time it right).

More trains into town on weekday evenings.
Fancy an evening drink at London Bridge? One quirk carried over from the old timetable is that there’s a better service into central London between about 6-8pm with some extra trains via Greenwich slotted into the timetable. So you can travel then and remember how things used to be…

London Bridge station
Passengers will now need to use London Bridge a lot more

Last trains home from London Bridge
2357 and 0027 (0030 on weekdays, when both trains are often interrupted by engineering works).

What about Sundays?
The service is, frankly, lousy, with nothing via Lewisham.
03 Southeastern to Cannon Street
10 Thameslink to Blackfriars
(23-minute gap – might as well take the bus to North Greenwich)
33 Southeastern to Cannon Street
40 Thameslink to Blackfriars
(another 23-minute gap – have you seen the traffic? Let’s go home)

What’s this new station on Thameslink?
Keep an ear out for Brent Cross West station, due to open early next year, which is due to serve “the new park town for future London” but looks a bit too far from the shopping centre to be useful. It’ll be between Hendon and Cricklewood stations.

Where do I find more information?
Southeastern has an information page at www.southeasternrailway.co.uk

Who do I complain to?
Southeastern has a complaints page at www.southeasternrailway.co.uk.


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Southeastern gets ‘nearly-new’ trains to replace Networkers from Charlton station

Class 707 train
The ‘new’ train: click to expand

Southeastern has confirmed that 30 “nearly new” trains are to come into service on the line through Charlton this autumn to replace some of its existing Networker stock, which is nearly 30 years old.

The Class 707 trains had been built to serve lines out of Waterloo, but were deemed surplus to requirements when South Western Railway took over the route in August 2017, just weeks after the first trains entered service.

Now the trains – which are very similar to the ones used by Thameslink – are being repainted blue to run on Southeastern’s metro lines to Dartford, as well as to Hayes and Sevenoaks. They will also have wi-fi, information screens and plug sockets.

Class 707 infographic

They will replace some of the familiar Networker trains, which have been a common sight in the area since 1992, when they followed the old slam-door trains. A handful of Networkers have already been taken to Worksop, Nottinghamshire, for storage.

David Statham, Southeastern’s managing director, said: “Bringing in modern, reliable trains with more space is an important part of the work we are doing to encourage people back to rail travel.

“Following a great effort by everyone across the railway, I’m very pleased to confirm that our new trains are getting set to carry passengers later this year.

“The Class 707 represents a big investment in our train fleet and I’m really looking forward to welcoming our customers aboard.”


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No trains through Charlton for next two weekends: 7-8 and 14-15 March

A train, seen on a weekday

There will be no trains through Charlton for the next two weekends as Network Rail is closing the line between Deptford and Plumstead for engineering works.

Despite the major closure, there has been little publicity about the works, which will affect fans this Saturday heading to Charlton Athletic’s match against Middlesborough – a team that traditionally brings a strong away following.

Two buses per hour will run between Lewisham and Plumstead, instead of the eight-train Saturday service and six-train Sunday timetable.

The Charlton Champion has asked Network Rail why the line is being closed and we’ll update this story when it responds. Update Wednesday: A Network Rail spokesperson would only say that the closure was “part of the Kent and South East London upgrade programme”. (see further update below)

There will be normal Jubilee line services to North Greenwich on the first weekend when the line through Greenwich is closed; however, on 14 and 15 March it will be closed between Waterloo and Stanmore, which is likely to mean a less-frequent service on the rest of the line. Docklands Light Railway services are also disrupted on 14 and 15 March, with no trains to Bank.

Disruption will also occur on Sunday 22 March, with no trains from Charlton before 9.15am and no Thameslink trains at all scheduled to run through the station.

The closures will cap a month of weekend service reductions on the line, with Thameslink services being reduced last Sunday despite The Big Half half-marathon taking place in Greenwich.

However, Charlton passengers will escape most of the disruption at Easter, when all lines through Hither Green will be closed as part of a major signalling project.

Friday update: Network Rail belatedly sent us an update yesterday to say the works will “lay nearly a kilometre of new track, sleepers and ballast on the line”.

“The work will allow the removal of speed restrictions which have been put in place because of worn out track, helping to speed up trains, reduce delay and give passengers smoother, more reliable journeys. Closing the line during the weekend means that the work can be done safely, in less time.”

“Fiona Taylor, Route Director, Kent. Network Rail said:

“‘While infrastructure faults are down by 30 per cent on this part of the network, we know that even a minor incident in this incredibly congested area will have a major impact on the train service. That’s why our upgrade work is so important to ensuring trains run reliably.

“‘We know it’s inconvenient for passengers when we close the railway and would like to thank them for their patience while we do this important work. Most of the network is open as usual but please check your journey before travelling.'”


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No trains from Charlton this weekend, 25/26 January

Train at London Bridge station
Getting to London Bridge will be more difficult this weekend

Just in case you were planning to go somewhere this weekend, Network Rail engineering works mean there are no trains at all from Charlton, Westcombe Park or Woolwich Dockyard on Saturday and Sunday.

Trains (including Thameslink trains) will be running via Blackheath and Bexleyheath instead. Two replacement buses an hour are running from Lewisham to Plumstead, with a similarly infrequent train service between Plumstead and Dartford.

A normal service will run on the Jubilee Line and Docklands Light Railway.

Maddeningly, the rail closure had coincided with a London derby at The Valley – but Charlton Athletic’s match with Fulham, which had been scheduled for Saturday, was brought forward to tonight after the Cottagers won their third-round FA Cup tie earlier this month.

The closure comes ahead of the major works which will close the Bexleyheath line during the February half-term week, which will see busier trains through Charlton for nine days, as well as some extra services such as peak-hour trains to Victoria. More information at bexleyheathline.co.uk.


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Thinking of a bank holiday trip by train from Charlton? Forget it

Thameslink class 700 trains
There are no trains from Charlton this weekend

Thinking of taking the train from Charlton this bank holiday weekend? Think again – there are no trains once again due to engineering work.

A half-hourly replacement bus will run between Lewisham and Plumstead on Saturday, Sunday and Monday. Full services will run from Lewisham and Blackheath. Thameslink services will run from Lewisham and Blackheath but will only run north as far as Blackfriars.

The Jubilee Line and Docklands Light Railway are running a full service.


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Charlton’s trains change on Sunday: Do you know your new times?

Thameslink class 700 trains
These Thameslink trains will start stopping at Charlton this Sunday

The biggest shake-up in SE London’s rail services for many years begins on Sunday – with Charlton gaining Thameslink trains to Blackfriars, St Pancras and beyond but losing some trains to Cannon Street.

Completely new timetables come into force as London Bridge’s new central platforms formally open for business, allowing more trains from Kent, Sussex and south London to run through to Farringdon, St Pancras, Luton and Bedford, as well as new destination such as Finsbury Park, Peterborough and Cambridge.

Charlton will be on a new Thameslink service linking Rainham in Kent with Luton, which replaces the old Southeastern trains from Charing Cross to Gillingham, although will run via Greenwich rather than Lewisham.

Two Southeastern trains to Cannon Street via Greenwich remain, while a new service from Dartford to Charing Cross will run via Blackheath and Lewisham.

So while Charlton still gets eight trains per hour off-peak (six on Sundays) – all stopping at London Bridge – they will run to different destinations. The Thameslink trains will only run as far as Kentish Town on Sundays.

Expect some teething problems as the new timetable beds down – a few Thameslink trains appear to have been deleted from early timetables after reports of issues with getting new trains into service, so double-check if you are using the new route.

Separately, Sunday’s service will be disrupted by engineering works.

Heading into town, your service from Charlton should be…

00 to Cannon Street via Greenwich
06 to Charing Cross via Lewisham
10 to Luton via Greenwich, Blackfriars and St Pancras
20 to Cannon Street via Greenwich
30 to Cannon Street via Greenwich

36 to Charing Cross via Lewisham
40 to Luton via Greenwich, Blackfriars and St Pancras
50 to Cannon Street via Greenwich

Heading away from town, this is how the service looks…

05 Rainham (not calling at Woolwich Dockyard, Belvedere, Erith)
08 all stations to Dartford
15 all stations to Barnehurst
25 all stations to Crayford (and back to Cannon Street via Sidcup)

35 Rainham (not calling at Woolwich Dockyard, Belvedere, Erith)
38 all stations to Dartford
45 all stations to Barnehurst
55 all stations to Crayford (and back to Cannon Street via Sidcup)

This is what your new morning rush-hour service looks like…

0529 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0547 Charing Cross via Lewisham
0559 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0617 Charing Cross via Lewisham
0628 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0635 Charing Cross via Lewisham
0647 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0659 Charing Cross via Lewisham
0704 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0710 Luton via Greenwich, Blackfriars and St Pancras
0721 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0730 Charing Cross via Lewisham
0733 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0740 Luton via Greenwich, Blackfriars and St Pancras
0746 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0753 Charing Cross via Lewisham
0757 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0810 West Hampstead via Greenwich, Blackfriars and St Pancras
0813 Charing Cross via Lewisham
0820 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0830 Cannon Street via Greenwich

0840 West Hampstead via Greenwich, Blackfriars and St Pancras
0847 Charing Cross via Lewisham
0850 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0900 Cannon Street via Greenwich

0906 Charing Cross via Lewisham
0920 Cannon Street via Greenwich
0930 Cannon Street via Greenwich

0936 Charing Cross via Lewisham
0940 Luton via Greenwich, Blackfriars and St Pancras
0950 Cannon Street via Greenwich

For journeys home, and to double-check the above, use National Rail Enquiries.

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Charlton and Woolwich Arsenal set to lose Charing Cross trains from 2022

Southeastern train at Charlton
The new Southeastern franchise begins in April 2019

Charlton and Woolwich Arsenal stations will lose direct trains to Charing Cross from December 2022, according to the Department for Transport’s plans for the new Southeastern franchise, which have been published today.

The invitation to tender sets out what the Government expects of the firm which wins the new franchise, which due to begin in April 2019. It sets out the basic service the winning operator is expected to provide.

Currently, six trains per hour run from Charlton to Cannon Street via Greenwich, with two running to Charing Cross via Lewisham.

From next year, this will become four trains via Greenwich to Cannon Street, two to Charing Cross via Lewisham, plus two new Greenwich line trains that will run via Blackfriars to Luton on the Thameslink route.

But from 2022, those Charing Cross services would be rerouted to Cannon Street, calling additionally at New Cross and St John’s. Passengers who want Waterloo East and Charing Cross will have to change at London Bridge.

Southeastern invitation to tender
Part of the specification being given to bidders for the new franchise. Thameslink trains not shown.

Looking in the other direction, there is also an option given for bidders to extend one set of Greenwich line trains to Maidstone West, while Belvedere and Erith may see a cut in services, with bidders asked to provide only a minimum of four trains per hour. The planned Thameslink trains are not set to call at those stops.

There are also changes planned for elsewhere on the network, with more trains to Victoria from Lewisham, although these will no longer run through Blackheath.

Last year, transport secretary Chris Grayling refused permission for Transport for London to take on Southeastern’s metro services. The new franchise is due to last until 2027.