Will the White Swan fly again?


The White Swan in Charlton Village is closing tomorrow for a refurbishment, and not opening its doors again until 21 April.

The pub’s now changed hands since the spell last year when a new manager tried to drag it up in the world – serving coffee, starting a “yummy mummies’ morning”, that kind of thing. But the refurbishment only seemed to be half-finished, and when two female friends of mine got harrassed by punters just for the crime of ordering pints last summer, it was clear that the job really hadn’t worked. The boss departed a few weeks later.

Now there’s two new bosses and a black cat prowling the place. Will this be the decent pub the village deserves? Watch this space…

Could Maryon Wilson animal park move to Thamesmead?

Matt Clinch, presenter and producer of Greenwich borough news podcast In The Meantime, gives his take on the latest developments surrounding the Maryon Wilson Park animal centre.

I thought I’d give an update on the budget cut affecting Maryon Wilson Park Animal Care Centre after an interview I conducted with the deputy leader of the council, Peter Brooks.

The current situation

Despite the News Shopper declaring the centre had been given a year’s reprieve, this is in fact not true. The park was never due to be cut this year and its funding was always due to be finishing in April 2012 if a solution cannot be found. Tim Anderson – the Chair of the Friends of Maryon and Maryon Wilson Parks discussed this back in January on In the Meantime and an online press release on the FMMWP website states the same.

The budget was passed on 2 March which set the ball rolling to find a solution to help fund the centre outside the council’s budget. Council leader Chris Roberts said in his budget speech: “We don’t want to see the animal park close next March, and I don’t believe it will.”

What Councillor Brooks had to say

Our radio show encourages the public to send questions so we can then pose them to studio guests. Tim Anderson took this opportunity to ask how the park can be saved if the funding is to be cut.

Cllr Brooks replied: “We have to make these cuts to protect frontline services – we’re looking at ways for people to help fund it …or to maybe move it. As a local authority we can make sure that this is a practice that carries on working… but works differently… and is not purely funded by tax payers’ money.”

One solution he details is in Thamesmead. A proposed urban farm has been touted by Bexley and Greenwich councils since 2009. Trust Thamesmead and Growing Greenwich are the two groups involved. This would be a place for animals where they can be petted (like Maryon Wilson Park) as well as a space to grow crops. However, the economic downturn has threatened to stifle this idea before it gets off the ground.

The royal charter

Back in January on ITM, Tim Anderson told us about the royal charter that was in place on the park. “A royal charter exists, signed by Henry VIII, stating the deer must remain. It could well be the deer are protected along with the rural nature of the park,“ he said.

It strikes me as odd that no-one seems to have actually seen this royal charter and can confirm it exists. Cllr Brooks was also unsure of what the charter detailed but said: “most royal charters work in a perimeter not a place”.

This could mean that there’s a radius of several miles around Maryon Wilson park that the charter accounts for. Thus, it could cover the movement of the deer to places such as Thamesmead or even over to the deer pen at Greenwich park.

The response

It seems to me that from the local community’s point of view, if the animal centre moves to Thamesmead it might as well be moving to the Thames Valley. The schools and children’s groups it currently serves will have to travel by coach to get there – but at what cost?

The Friends group says: “If the council are to save the animal care centre it would be to find a way of keep funding the children’s petting zoo in Maryon Wilson Park, not just to save the animals from being culled or to move them.”

What’s important to note as well is that the unique location of Maryon Wilson Park, in its valley setting, unlike normal farm land or parks, enables children and families to see the animals with uninterrupted sight lines.

The rather dubious back-up plan

I admit I’m probably clutching at straws here and probably still a little vague with the technicalities. Under the coalition government’s ‘Big Society’ (love it or hate it) they have a localism bill. If and when this bill is passed into law it will give power to local communities to trigger referendums with petitions:

“The Bill includes a number of measures to allow the public to influence local decision-making through local referendums. Anyone registered to vote in the local elections will be able to vote in a triggered referendum. A referendum can be triggered by 5% of the local electorate signing a petition within a 6 month timescale, however a council can accept a petition and trigger a vote even if the petition gets fewer signatures, if it wants to. A referendum can also be triggered by a council member requesting one. People signing the petition must include their name, address, signature and the date.”

This means that a petition signed by around 5,000 people who live in Greenwich borough will trigger a vote. This vote will then go towards a decision made by the council whether to keep the care centre where it is, with the funding it currently has. Now hopefully this won’t be needed but let’s look at possible outcomes.

If the whole of Greenwich were to go to the polls on this issue, the chances are the only people that turn up at the ballot box are the ones that are voting to keep it how it is. The council will then be forced to decide once again what will happen with the centre. You may think nothing will change and the council will still plough ahead. However, by this point it might have drawn people’s attention from a wider audience. Could this be the localism bill’s poster child? The first referendum of its kind? Could kicking up such a fuss have any impact on the future of the centre? It might be worth finding out. Keep your eye on that bill.

I asked Cllr Brooks about this bill, although we still don’t know whether it will be passed. He accepted that this could happen but then added: “It’s what else goes, do we [then] have a referendum on whether we have bin collections every fortnight instead of weekly – it’s the frontline services that people want.”

The speculation

What are the reasons why the council might be adding the animal care centre to its list of cuts? Could there be an ulterior motive? Let’s explore the speculation:

1) They’re daft?!
You may laugh but North Ayrshire council in Scotland recently put forward an idea to just have a 4-day week in schools! They were then attacked by unions for just trying to look as if they were busy seeking solutions and not actually wanting to carry through with the cut. Yeah, they’re only kids they don’t need a whole week of school! I think if I lived in North Ayrshire I would sell up and move on safe in the knowledge that the council were stark raving bonkers!

This differs from our cut though as North Ayrshire councillors never backed the 4-day week and I don’t think it ever reached even the scrutiny stage.

2) They’re seeing if someone might take it of their hands.

Maybe there is a secret piggy bank waiting to fund the centre after all? But in the interim could they be dangling a fishing rod over the edge to see what big fish bite? It’s a popular and well-loved place, could a rich benefactor be found in twelve months? However, think of the anguish this is causing people. Is the council losing respect by using this method to sell off one of its possessions?

3) They’re playing the blame game.

You may have heard this one before. “Labour council heaps blame onto coaltion government by cutting well loved events and animal care centre.” We then march through the streets of London moaning that they shouldn’t be forcing councils to frontload and hitting local services hard.

Although remember, if the localism bill tactic does work and the coalition government’s legislation saves the centre, then would the blame game have backfired?

4) They simply need to make a saving somewhere.

This obviously being the most realistic. They need to make a saving, like the rest of the savings they’ve made. They all add up, even if they’re small savings, they add up in fact to £63.5 million. But as one resident writes on the petition, “The savings are too small and the benefits too great for the Centre to be lost.”

Here’s a vox-pop I made at the animal care centre back in December asking locals what they thought of the proposed cut.

We’ll keep you updated with further developments.

Charlton Lido, Hornfair Park and BMX bother

A bit late with this, but it’s worth recording anyway. Last week Greenwich Council renewed planning permission for the development of a diving centre at Charlton Lido, despite the original deal having collapsed some time back.

However, the planning board meeting did bring with it confirmation that Greenwich Leisure Limited is due to take on the lease from the stricken Open Waters Investments, which brings forward hope of some kind of revamp for the lido – and maybe even the diving centre will be built after all.

But there’s strong feelings around Hornfair Park at the moment. Local campaigner Toni Hale walked out of the meeting, angry about the construction of a three-storey building alongside the pool. There’s even stronger feelings about council plans to build a BMX track and improve the park’s tatty playing fields – a sensible idea, you might think, in an area where there’s absolutely nothing for young people to do.

Not so, according to the 500 people who have signed a petition against the plan. (The full application can be viewed here.)

Campaign manager Toni Hale said: “So far we have 500 signatures on our petition. There is just no need for a BMX track in the park. It could lead to an increase in crime and there are already other tracks in the borough.”

Those other tracks, in Woolwich, Lee and Eltham, aren’t really an easy ride for a youngster from Charlton or Kidbrooke, though. Should Hornfair Park be filled with the sounds of bikers and divers, should it be a quiet oasis?

Church go-ahead for Horse and Groom

Greenwich councillors have approved plans to turn the old Horse and Groom pub on Woolwich Road into a church, despite opposition from neighbours.

The proposal by the Chreubim and Seraphim Movement Church was backed by five votes to one by a panel of six councillors on Wednesday with only local representative John Fahy (Labour, Woolwich Riverside) opposing the scheme.

Council planning officers said they approved the scheme “on balance”, subject to conditions including noise mitigation measures and restricting its opening hours to 6pm to 8pm on weeknights and 9am to noon at weekends.

The church had operated for a while without planning permission, and one local resident who addressed the Woolwich and Thamesmead planning committee said traffic in the area was “gridlocked” whenever it was open. But the church claimed over 95% of its congregation did not drive to services.

Local residents had signed a petition against the plans, and Cllr Fahy said the local area was “entirely different from other parts of the borough” because of the large number of people driving to football matches at The Valley.

“This application will simply add to the problems people experience,” he said.

But fellow councillor Don Austen (Labour, Glyndon) said the application was “difficult to oppose” on planning grounds.

As well as the change of use from a pub to a place of worship, the church also got permission to install six CCTV cameras, security grilles on the windows and a toilet extension.

It’s panto time!

Oh no it isn’t…

Oh yes it is, and in Charlton as well! On Thursday 24, Friday 25 and Saturday 26 February, the Alexandra Players will be performing Dick Turpin by Peter Webster at the Alexandra Hall on Bramshot Avenue. It might not be the most traditional of panto tales, but all the elements are there – the Dame, the baddy, the comedy policemen, the pantomime horse…

The Saturday matinee is already sold out, but there are still tickets for evening performances, which start at 8pm. For tickets you can send an email, stating your name, how many tickets you want and for which night, to alexandraplayers@gmail.com

Football for £5 at The Valley on Saturday

Charlton Athletic are hoping for a sell-out crowd at The Valley on Saturday with all tickets for their home match against Exeter City priced just £5, and are rolling out the welcome mat for the club’s neighbours to come and sample the atmosphere with the side on the up.

The deal comes six weeks after the club was sold, and a month after Addicks favourite Chris Powell was installed as manager. The team have won all four matches so far under the new boss, including last weekend’s 3-2 victory over Peterborough United.

Tickets usually start at £17.50, but the club’s new owners want to increase attendances at The Valley, which have slipped as the club tumbled through the leagues. From seeing sell-out crowds of over 27,000 in the Premier League – when club executives were looking at expanding the ground to a 40,000 capacity – crowds have fallen to below 14,000 in League One.

The Addicks are now comfortably in the play-off places following the win over Peterborough.

“Chris Powell’s appointment as manager is just part of the renewal that is already going on under the new owners,” said head of club development Rick Everitt. “Helping us to build the crowd and atmosphere at The Valley is an important contribution fans can make to try to ensure that our stay in this division is as short as possible.

“We need fans to spread the word to their friends, extended family and neighbours that this is their chance to come along and see what football in SE7 has to offer.”

Tickets are available from The Valley box office (open weekdays 9am-5pm) as well as online or by calling 0871 226 1905.

Could royal charter save Maryon Wilson animals?

Maryon Wilson Park, Charlton

A royal charter could prevent Greenwich Council from closing the animal centre at Maryon Wilson Park, according to the head of its users’ group.

Friends of Maryon and Maryon Wilson Parks chairman Tim Anderson told local podcast In The Meantime the parks were given to the council’s predecessors under the condition that it kept the park’s deer in place.

Council officials have drawn up plans to withdraw £43,000 of funding from the centre, which risks closure if outside funding cannot be found. Cuts to government grants have left the council with a £62m hole in its budget.

Mr Anderson told ITM, which is presented by Charlton Champion contributor Matt Clinch, that the park was gifted by the Maryon Wilson family under a serious of “covenants and indentures”.

“It has to retain its rural nature, it has to have access to the public, it has to have toilets, and the Maryon Wilson family also gifted the deer,” he explained.

“We understand this was done under a royal charter. I’m not sure how aware the current councillors are of this, but [a council leaflet] states a royal charter exists, signed by Henry VIII, stating the deer must remain. It could well be the deer are protected along with the rurual nature of the park.

“It’s a special place, and it was gifted for a special purpose. As the friends of the park, we’ll work with the council on whatever they come up with, but we’re saying to the council – don’t give a closure date, we can work and solve the problem. We want the council to take the initiative – and they may have a legal imperative to do that – and listen to what people are saying.”

Mr Anderson said he was not consulted about the plans, and had first read about them on The Charlton Champion – even though a member of the council’s cabinet, Woolwich Riverside councillor and culture spokesman John Fahy – is a member of the group.

He said he feared the park could become a magnet for crime and anti-social behaviour without the animal centre, which he said was “unique in London”.

Greenwich councillors are due to formally vote on next year’s budget at a meeting on 2 March. Charlton councillor Allan MacCarthy, who sits on the council’s scrutiny committee which is dealing with the cutbacks, told a Charlton Central Residents Association meeting on Monday it was difficult to persuade those unfamiliar with the animal centre of its worth when there were competing demands on the council’s agenda.

“It’s very hard when you’re talking about people’s jobs,” he said. “Especially when they don’t know the facility and what it does for the neighbouring schools, and even people who are just walking past.”

At that same meeting, fellow Charlton councillor Janet Gillman said her husband – Kidbrooke with Hornfair representative and mayor-to-be Jim Gillman – had asked officials to drop a £30,000 “mayor making” ceremony in his honour because of the financial situation.

The full interview with Tim Anderson can be downloaded from the In The Meantime website or via iTunes. Photo above courtesy of Flickr user Pisci.