Would you change Charlton’s biggest traffic intersection?

Allow me a moment to run something past you. Above is the Woolwich Road/ Bugsby’s Way/ Charlton Church Lane interchange, I’m sure you’re familiar with it. If you were TfL and you had an opportunity to redevelop these crossroads, what would you do?

Would you try to funnel more traffic into Bugsby’s Way? Would you restrict more traffic from entering the narrow Charlton Church Lane? Would you make it more pedestrian friendly? Would you give more access for bicycles? Would a new set of traffic lights in Woolwich Road demand a rethink of this junction? Would you keep it like it is?

12 thoughts on “Would you change Charlton’s biggest traffic intersection?

  1. Simon October 30, 2011 / 15:29

    Given Bugsby’s Way is a dual carriageway the logic would be to funnel as much traffic that way as possible. To do this one would have to get the section of Woolwich Road from the flyover to the junction above to stop being the A206. TfL could do this.
    Then one could restrict the type of through traffic permitted on this stretch of road.
    I don’t mind the existing junction compared to how it might look – I would like to think how best the bus lane could be accommodated to allow right turning buses from Bugsby’s Way into the westbound Woolwich Road (enabling the mooted redirected 108 and 129 to rejoin their former routes after taking in the new Sainsbury’s).
    What do others think?

  2. Darryl October 30, 2011 / 19:09

    I can’t see TfL moving the 108 along with the new Sainsburys – maybe the 129, but the best way to fix the problem of getting from Blackheath to Woolwich Road or Bugsbys Way would be to extend the 202 down there.

    Not long after Asda opened, there were some experiments in extending buses to serve Asda which never really took off (once with the 54. weirdly, and again with a bus from Thamesmead) but if there’s enough in the new retail centre (and Sainsburys stump up some cash), maybe TfL will be up for it.

    As for the junction, it definitely needs to be more pedestrian and cycle-friendly. I’m amazed nobody’s been killed trying to cross outside the Antigallican, and the (admittedly never enforced) ban on cycles using the bus lane is just daft.

  3. Ashleigh marsh October 30, 2011 / 19:12

    It is absurd that there is no left filter light for traffic turning into Charlton Church Lane, causing much needless burning of fuel, and that cars cannot go straight on into Bugsby’s Way or right into Woolwich Road after driving down the lane. The traffic lights often stopping you driving up the hill are a bit pointless too, given the low level of bus traffic there.

  4. Darryl October 30, 2011 / 19:15

    the low level of bus traffic there

    Not that low – the 486 runs every eight minutes, although it doesn’t often feel like it… the whole thing’s a legacy of the scrapped Millennium Transit scheme, which was meant to have guided buses running every five minutes through GMV (it never worked properly and the plan was abandoned).

  5. Chris October 31, 2011 / 12:12

    Oh crumbs, this junction is a mess. There must be ways to improve it, but a road traffic management bod I’m not.

    That said, cars should be able to go straight on from Charlton Church Lane, indeed the odd sneaky bugger does. Also, while traffic is heading east down the Woolwich Road, why can’t traffic from Charlton Church Lane filter left? It would mean getting shot of the bus lane, but would improve traffic flow.

    Just a couple of thoughts.

  6. Scott October 31, 2011 / 17:06

    Could never work out why cars can’t go from South to North.

  7. Matt October 31, 2011 / 19:14

    Wasn’t until I took the photos above that it really hit home how ridiculous this junction is and how much we put up with it. After Darryl’s explanation, it does seem like a plastered up job after a botched transport scheme.
    Priorities for me would be to get a pedestrian crossing outside the Antigallican to the north-east corner by Safestore, swarms of people that use it on match days would surely be grateful as well. If there’s calls to downgrade Woolwich road between this junction and the fly-over then surely more traffic would need to flow onto Bugsby’s Way.

  8. Sven Ellis November 2, 2011 / 10:08

    Any changes need to be considered in the context of the new Sainsbury’s, improvements to the pedestrian/cycle access between Victoria Way and Asda, and making the A102 flyover roundabout less murderous. Before this hideous junction was built and Hervey Gardens blocked, westbound traffic would queue from the Antigallican halfway to Woolwich, and Charlton was full of ratrunning traffic. To the extent that it cured those problems, it was successful. Allowing north- and southbound access through the junction would only increase volumes of traffic through Charlton’s residential streets. Like Simon, I do think forcing vehicles such as LGVs onto Bugsby’s Way is a good idea.

  9. shaun November 3, 2011 / 08:56

    I would make it as a roundabout with traffic signals, traffic can flow in four directions, it would help
    travellers going into cclane reduce going to the next roundabout and comming back again.

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